95. Greg Willard Spirit Award; NCAA Season Awards. Traffic: 7/10 Bonnie Raitt: 7/10 2. 223. Kobe Bryant, 8. And how the hell could OKC ever trade James Harden after Game 5? Jimmy Reed: 8/10 Skip to secondary content. 181. I'll do this by at least 3 or 4 parts. 1)Do you have to consider them in any "best of all-time" discussions? Buddy Holly (and the Crickets) Posted by John R.C. 7. 2000 4. The Sex Pistols took a violent stance. Over here in Britain May has been a wildlife activist and critic of fox-hunting But as long as they are moved up to the 4th tier, I will not be very disappointed. Alice Cooper: 7/10 Posted by Zach on Wednesday, 10/30/2013 @ 17:40pm, Hi, Zach. One of the more underappreciated recent stars in the NBA. Neil Diamond: 7/10 41. Paul McCartney: 8/10 Flags of the World El_Dandy Flags of the World: Progressively Harder El_Dandy NFL 30,000 Passing Yards, One Team . 115. There are a lot of critic's darlings that fade over time. And I agree on John Lennon (or any Beatle) as a solo artist. The inductees on Level 1 on the other hand, are often the reason the Rock Hall makes so many people crazy. Michael Jackson, but considering his upbringing I can't really blame him for that. Songs originally recorded by THE MIRACLES later covered by other artists. BoB 2.0 has been, well, not that. 219. Eddie Cochran I don't where to post this ever since that "Current Hall of Famers" doesn't have a comments, so I have to post it here or in the "The Immortals" page. 184. Biggie Smalls-4 "After All" The Supremes, The Marvelettes. Robert Parish, 67. AP Player of the Year Award; John R. Wooden Award; Naismith Men's College Player . "Special Occasion - Jim Gilstrap. 21. Level 1: Etta James Star Offline Posts: 2664 Respect: 0. Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 03/9/2013 @ 22:09pm. or the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation. MC5 (Level 1) this is a statement of fact, no judgement involved. Level 3: 13. ***. Donovan Bob Dylan Sam Cooke: 10/10 "Shop Around" Captain & Tennille, Don Bryant, The Astronauts, The Allusions, and Georgie Fame, Neil Merryweather and Lynn Carey, among numerous others. MVP Offline Posts: 9456. 140. We all know that not all Hall of Famers were equally important to rock and roll history, so the pyramid simply provides an elegant way to illustrate that fact. "From Head to Toe" Elvis Costello, Chris Clark The Flamingos 3,2,1 is pretty much a mess. 39. 11. Most civilized inductee: Chuck D, Bruce Springsteen, Fats Domino. Most snubbed before being inducted: Black Sabbath, The Stooges, Hall & Oates, Neil Diamond, Alice Copper, Buffalo Springfield. Deep Purple a 1??? "More, More, More of Your Love" Bob Brady & the Con Chords 2015 The "5" Royales "Happy Landing" - The Temptations. The Platters: 8/10 New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Bon Jovi- 1 Ray Charles didn't make his name in Rock and Roll. 1986 how NBA Hall of Fame inductees should be chosen but how the institution must be reshaped from the ground up, the result being the Pyramid: Simmons's one-of-a-kind five-level shrine to the ninety-six greatest players in the history of pro Admittedly quite bad, but he's already represented without the halo effect. Fela Kuti (Level 1) Posted by AlexVoltaire on Monday, 09/24/2018 @ 10:45am. Journey: Influenced Bon Jovi. I'm coming up with a questionnaire/survey on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's inductees. Black Sabbath: 10/10 Joan Baez: 6/10 164. of all time, Simmons opensand then closes, once and for allevery major pro basketball debate. A half-century ago, Pink Floyd unleashed a classic that still lingers on the Billboard charts and in college dorms to this day. Rating Numbers: Depeche Mode (Level 2) The ninety-six greatest basketball players of all time, arranged into five tiers: Levels One through Four, then the Pantheon - the best of the best - at the very top. All I ask is that you don't put Bon Jovi or Journey in last place. 5) THE SUPREMES at # 97 Level 3: 105. Jay-Z-3 but would also be fine with 4 if Eminem gets 4 as well. Foreword by Malcom Gladwell "The work of a true fan . 4. Prince Posted by Classic Rock on Wednesday, 12/17/2014 @ 06:51am. 7. Weirdest: Frank Zappa by one point over Michael Jackson. Not quite sure. Chicago: 6/10 1998 Led Zeppelin Stevie Nicks: 3/10 Nina Simone b) every metal band post-1983 is influenced by them. Since then, he has mentioned in episodes of his podcast numerous changes that he has made to this list. I'd prefer Nina on Level 2, but I'd ultimately have no problem putting all the artists on Level 1. The Mamas and the Papas Dr. John But if there was an "Early Influences" pyramid, then Sister Rosetta Tharpe would at least be a 4. ELO - 1 I'd say level 4 is also impossible for anyone not in the hall currently as well. Simmons, who was elected to the Louisiana Sports Hall of Fame in 2018 and is a member of the Louisiana Tennis Hall of Fame, died Tuesday night after a long illness at the age of 76. A subreddit dedicated to NBA news and discussion. Please also read our Privacy Notice and Terms of Use, which became effective December 20, 2019. - I made it an actual pyramid so each level contains fewer players than the previous level. Rush Posted by Corey Finn on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 08:15am. The triple double was basically that Thunder team going out of their way to make it happen which is sort of disgraceful, but Westbrook was the second best guy on a Finals team and a few other conference finalists. Randy Newman (middle 2nd) Listen, he's going to win his 2nd MVP award at some point in the next few months. Sorry but the Sex Pistols are way overrated. 5/10 = Average/Borderline There is an interesting parallel to the pyramid--sometimes they agree, sometimes not so much. R.E.M. Frank Zappa Level Three: Ramses (Yul Brynner) Deep Purple: Level 3 Wilson Pickett: 9/10 whitney houston - 3 or 4 He followed that up with 6 more solid seasons including 2 more All-NBA teams and 3 more All-Star appearances. Gene Pitney: 5/10 46. You may wonder why I continue posting on FRL after admitting to my disenchanted with most rock music. Are you serious? Still hasnt talked about a ton of the top guys. on Saturday, 03/9/2013 @ 22:30pm. Weirdest: I agree with the consensus, Michael Jackson and Frank Zappa. John & Bobbie Foster WCON-AM/FM 2015 69. (This is an incomplete list, as songs by the Miracles continue to be covered by more artists each year) George Harrison: 8/10 What did that night say about Shaq, that bizarre Lakers season, and a now-underrated champion from Detroit that wouldnt roll over? astrodog brings up a reasonable point about Elvis Costello, especially in his comparison to The Pretenders. Art is fluid and stuff changes. He popularized the stretch 4 in some respects as he extended his range out towards the back half of The Heatles experiment. The Book of Basketball - Bill Simmons 2010-12-07 . Not many changes to make. Nirvana: 10/10 19. Enigmaticus, I agree with you on moving Rush and The Moody Blues up a legion on two up. "If You Can Want" The Dirtbombs, Barbara McNair, Chazz Dixon. N.W.A: 9/10 "(You Can't Let the Boy Overpower) The Man In You" Chuck Jackson "I Don't Blame You At All" - Rosetta Hightower. David Bowie should be moved up to the top of the fourth level. 1993 Dinah Washington He's a flopper. I thought they were dull and uninteresting musically, and they couldn't keep my attention long enough to listen to the lyrics. 8. How did the series flip? Heard James Brown was tough on his musicians. Register for this free event . 74 Paul McCartney The Jackson 5: 9/10 The Beatles: 10/10 Muddy Waters (Level 5) Either Sam Cooke, Fats Domino, Roy Orbison, or anyone from Motown (remember, they were taught how to move about at high society functions). Bernard King, 66. Roxy Music: 8/10 For some reason they never get as much credit as they deserve (especially when compared to other Motown artists like Marvin Gaye, The Supremes and The Temptations). I mean does anyone (be honest) go home and listen to a Ramones record? Joan Jett & The Blackhearts: 5/10 152. Randy Newman: 1 Eddie Cochran: 9/10 Almost all of their hits were self-written, making them unique among Motown acts. 2011 Sometimes he wasn't good enough. Here's part 2 of the rating the performers. Little Anthony and the Imperials Posted by Mike on Tuesday, 02/9/2016 @ 17:04pm, Posted by Classic Rock on Friday, 04/22/2016 @ 20:34pm. 2016 Tupac Shakur Bob Dylan, Ray Charles, Jimi Hendrix, Little Richard, James Brown, Muddy Waters and Robert Johnson All my earlier kidding aside, here's how I'd fix the pyramid: Level 5: 60. FJD's Book Reviews. Level Four: Brendan Fraser (we can't really have him above anyone else here) Re: Bill Simmons NBA Hall of Fame Pyramid Reply #15 on: June 02, 2010, 11:44:59 pm . Dire Straits - 1 Chicago 1 Eric Clapton: 9/10 Were they the greatest team of all time? Pearl Jam The Rock Hall rarely misses the no-brainer inductees. Duran Duran (Level 1 or 2) 1995 The Orioles 62. Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 09:25am, Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 09:26am. Inductee that should have been first-ballot (again, don't answer Rush*)? 2021 Can't answer in seven. Steve Miller - 1, Posted by Classic Rock on Tuesday, 12/22/2015 @ 17:32pm. NWA pulls a 2 and everyone else a 1. Is Curry STILL underrated? Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 05/10/2022 @ 21:00pm, Here's part 2 of the rating the performers. 70. "Can You Love a Poor Boy" Bobby Vee, Softones, Gil Bernal, Ronnie Walker. Except on Neil Young, of course. 1/10 = Not even worth of mention Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five Bill Haley (and His Comets) Eagles Joni Mitchell On point! The first change I would make to this pyramid: Michael Jackson to Level 5, perhaps replacing Jimi Hendrix. "I agree about John Lennon. If you prefer to look at the Hall of Famers in a sortable list, here is where to go. Crosby, Stills & Nash: 7/10 12. B. The Who, The Kinks, Public Enemy, Sex Pistols and Muddy Waters The Shirelles: 9/10 However, when an artist offends me so deeply that I can only summon feelings of outright hatred for their music, it's almost impossible for me to maintain any kind of objectivity. The Everly Brothers: 10/10 Posted by Shrek on Friday, 01/4/2019 @ 18:59pm. Level 3 I can name more than one song by Costello (come on, at least give him Pump it Up), but I really don't see a career that matches up well against The Talking Heads in terms of influence, innovation or popularity. -"But since I'm in the neighborhood, an easy one: The Ramones. Its impossible to figure out Stephen Currys phenomenal decade without hashing through everything that happened that night. T.Rex-Level 3 -Most influential? Bobby Womack @ Follower Electric Light Orchestra 2) THE TEMPTATIONS at # 67 Michael Jackson Eminem: 10/10 The Ronettes: 6/10 Level 4: Jimmy Cliff The Moody Blues Tier 3 - Tupac Shakur, Pearl Jam George Gervin, 39. 111. Just two months into 2023, Majors has already come crashing into franchises like Creed and Ant-Manas well as Sundance, for good measure. Kingdom of Heaven Anyways, hope you browsed through. Donna Summer- 4, Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 01/27/2018 @ 05:22am. Lennon had one brilliant record (his first real solo record) and one decent one (the overrated 'Imagine'), and then some good songs sprinkled amidst a lot of filler and crap. Only one problem: 10 years later, were in the middle of the player empowerment era and The Secret might not matter anymore. While there are plenty of eligible snubbed artists out there, there are likely very few, if any, who would make it into Level 4 of the pyramid if they were ever inducted (Level 5 is impenetrable at this point by any non-Hall of Famer). Posted by Classic Rock on Thursday, 07/28/2016 @ 20:05pm, The Beatles 5 And where does Shaq rank on Bills 100-player Hall of Fame Pyramid? The impressions The Police Biggest botch 10/10 = Immortals, Legends & Icons Isaac Hayes: 7/10 2. Parker was really, really good for a long time. This site is not affiliated in any way with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum 204. Andrew - Just so you know, this Pyramid only includes acts that are in the actual Hall of Fame. The Clash Guns N' Roses 8. Animal House "Whole Lotta Shakin' In My Heart (Since I Met You)" The Hellacopters, Marv Johnson. 48. Eurythmics (Level 1) The Cars 86. Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 01/1/2019 @ 14:24pm, How about a pyramid for the Early Influence category, with Wanda Jackson and Freddie King as a 1 because they never should have been inducted in that category? 2/10 = Failure Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 04/19/2022 @ 14:18pm, 2022 Nominees: 14. Y'all haven't added the new inductees yet:Chicago,Cheap Trick,NWA,Steve Miller and Deep Purple. Top Gun 1989 Bessie Smith Would vintage Shaq have been better or worse in 2019? The Grateful Dead: 9/10 Posted by Handsome Bob on Thursday, 05/16/2019 @ 23:13pm, ** THE MIRACLESand why they SHOULD be Level 4:** Feel free to tell me why I'm wrong or crazy or both in the comments. You could even include acts who broke significant individual records (though, personally, I say no). Beastie Boys: 9/10 I think this is perhaps because they are an entitled bunch of dicks and no-one likes them as human beings, but also because people don't realise: I was given first money of $2,000.000.00 US Dollars and on monthly basis am now paid $20,000.00 USDollars for working for the hood. Is there anyone not in the Hall who could be a 4? A Fish Called Wanda The Book of Basketball - Bill Simmons 2010-12-07 . I had to move him up. Posted by Donovan on Tuesday, 10/21/2014 @ 23:03pm, move to 4: 2Pac is probably Level 2. 83. 200. 129. 2. I guess SONGWRITING , PRODUCING, and INFLUENCE are considered more IMPORTANT than flashy choreography,flashy clothes,and Pop success!! Posted by Jack on Thursday, 12/18/2014 @ 15:01pm. Al Green "(You Can) Depend On Me" The Temptations, The Supremes, Mary Wells, Brenda Holloway, Barbara Mason. Star in 1972, The Jackson Five. 6/10 = Decent Artists Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 10.31.13 @ 09:54am, Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 10/22/2014 @ 09:54am, I am shocked that Enig would think that "In my honest opinion, Rush should also be placed a lot higher. Patti Smith 17. "From Head to Toe" Elvis Costello, Chris Clark The "Lovin Spoonful: 5/10 Beat induction year: 1993, Posted by Mike on Thursday, 02/6/2014 @ 14:22pm. But whats the legacy of the blockbuster album? "I've Been Good To You" Marshall Crenshaw, Brenda Holloway, Joe Meek, The Temptones, Ray, Goodman & Brown (The Moments), The Ones, The Temptations. It's fine, but it's more of a BS pod than a true sequel (I'm of the belief that Simmons sort of lost his passion when ESPN fired him for criticizing Goodell). 2018 Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 01/1/2019 @ 20:35pm. Ramones Also, Phil Spector is probably the 'meanest' of all the HOFers in that he's a criminally insane psychopath who was unhinged for decades before murdering Lana Clarkson (a classic example being him bringing a bag of coins to a divorce hearing to make his first alimony payment to Ronnie Spector as well as his repeated assaults and death threats to her). Lennon's massive hypocrisy shouldn't be overlooked either. 1 bestselling book from 2009. Guns N' Roses Posted by Gary on Saturday, 01/5/2019 @ 04:20am. I too personally dislike thier music except "Express Yourself" and I just don't understand why so meny praise them when all they did was steer rap down a more gangester and racist path. U2: 10/10 Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/11/2019 @ 18:40pm, Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/11/2019 @ 18:43pm. 12. Let me know if my analogies don't work as well. Favorite induction year? ", Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 10/22/2014 @ 22:04pm, Desmond, He could've gone anywhere, but to Golden State and nobody would've held a grudge outside of those weirdos in Oklahoma. "Mickey's Monkey" Mother's Finest, Martha and the Vandellas, The Supremes, The Hollies, The Young Rascals, John Mellencamp, Lou Christie, Cannibal & the Headhunters, The C.A.Quintet, The Defenders, Chris Catena, The Sugar Beats, The Mac Truque. [1] They also have the distinction of having more songs inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame than any other Motown group." Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam: 6/10 2001 The Mamas & The Papas: 6/10 It is nice to see that you can be objective about The Byrds importance although you admit to not being a fan, but I think your dislike for Neil is getting in the way of your objectivity. 9. Agreed. Green Day *****************THE MIRACLES******************** 1987 Bobby Darin Ricky Nelson: 9/10 All the Lord of The Rings films 99. During a time period when Nirvana were pretty much single handedly destroying the metal scene, and metal kids were becoming grunge kids, they released the most iconic metal tune of all time, in an album that sold around 30 million copies. Glory 47. It was a hell of a three seasons spaced out over six years, but it was just three seasons. Pete Maravich, 77. Gasol won't get overlooked for the actual hall because of his int'l resume, but his NBA resume is pretty damn solid too. Most influential besides The Beatles, Elvis Presley, and Chuck Berry? Pat Benatar: 6/10 Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 10/23/2018 @ 14:25pm. Both were the darlings of the same type of audience in their day, but REM was a very different type of band. Without music, lyrics are just words on a sheet of paper. Great concept! He was one of the first rock and rollers to incorporate politics and social issues and he mostly did that during his solo career. Topic: Bill Simmons NBA Hall of Fame Pyramid (Read 15787 times) chelo. My mistake, I met question 9 and "most nicest", not 7 and "most mean". The Heat had three Pyramid guys including a Level 5 and Level 4 guy in their primes. Revising lol, 69. Your Account; Logout; Login; Create Account; You're invited! 82. "I Don't Blame You At All" - Rosetta Hightower. Led Zeppelin. Public Enemy (Level 4) They wrote 95 % of their OWN HITSplus hits for THE TEMPTATIIONS , MARVIN GAYE, MARY WELLS, THE MARVELETTES,and NUMEROUS OTHERS !! "After All" The Supremes, The Marvelettes. 135. They are certainly not on the level of Bowie, Springsteen, Aretha, or Nirvana, even Michael. Dire Straits: 6/10 Posted by Follower on Monday, 01/7/2019 @ 21:17pm. Well, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Museum in Cleveland is already shaped like a pyramid 2, so it was only natural to take Simmons' baseball idea and apply it to rock and roll.. The Beach Boys Not a shock, since they also decided it was a good idea to put in Nile Rodgers as a sideman when substantially all his HOF credentials were through Chic (which he himself acknowledged), which ironically has destroyed Chic's chances (since they technically can't factor him in as he was inducted on his work with Chic amongst other groups). The Four Tops: 10/10 The Jimi Hendrix Experience These questions and more are broken down in our third Pyramid Podcast with Bills former Grantland colleague, ESPNs Zach Lowe. 5/10 = Average/Borderline 8/10 = No Brainers Feel free to argue about the order in the comments below, but remember, you can't move someone up without moving someone else down.. SEE FOR YOURSELF !! It would only make sense, since the next 4 are not perfect multiples of 12 anymore. SHOP AROUND, YOU'VE REALLY GOT A HOLD ON ME, OOO BABY BABY, THE TRACKS OF MY TEARS, MORE LOVE, THE TEARS OF A CLOWN, I SECOND THAT EMOTION,BABY BABY DON'T CRY, LOVE MACHINEand MORE !! 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