Particularly if they are just vinyls on white painted trains. Today I would like to make a rather general suggestion rather than something specific. WMT (operationally separate from LNWR by this point) brand to be used additionally on XC services to Nottingham and Leicester (stopper only). The attachments illustrate this. I wonder if we might actually see things like "Northern - by Great British Railways" rather than one single overarching branding. Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. The colours were chosen to be different from those of any of the "Big Four" pre-nationalisation railway companies while retaining a traditional aspect. A bit like this but without the fuzzy outline on the text and double arrow (caused by MS Paint's paint bucket tool): Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I had a play around with this, and I agree, it looks. The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and it's xenophobic, imperialist undertones me me want to vomit. In response to this announcement, the Great British Railways Transition Team is looking at changes to support the development of the new industry structure, and considering ways in which the current system can be simplified and improved. Which does what it says on the tin. As built it was a sort of purplish-red stripe with a lighter red shadow, then this changed to solid red in the late 90s/early 2000s. A number of sets of coaching stock and a handful of locomotives received the livery, as well as most new multiple units and some existing ones. Variants to the national brand will be developed to refect the English regions, Scotland and Wales, while emphasising that the railway is one network serving the whole of Great Britain. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. Press J to jump to the feed. But the point is that effort has gone into developing a brand and what it stands for, it isn't just harking back to the awful 1970s, a time people seem to be seeing with a large pair of rose tinted spectacles. I never knew I had OCD until that remark lol. Launched as the London & South East Sector "Express Livery" this was a short-lived scheme which appeared on a limited amount of units and routes before the advent of Network SouthEast's "toothpaste" red white and blue striped livery. The smokebox, running plate, and running gear remained black, and the bufferbeam remained red. The easiest way to guarantee readibility at night would be to use retroreflective coatings, like those used on road signs. It isnt hard to believe that there may be some truth to the suggestion that Johnson would be less cavalier in his treatment of Ulster if it returned even a handful of Government MPs. 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I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. The Union Jack will represent. Several Class 31 locomotives received white waist stripes, these being Still makes me cringe everytime I see/read 'Great' in front of anything British since this mob got in. There have also been subtle font changes. It is known as Great because it is the largest island in the British Isles, and houses the countries of England, Scotland and Wales within its shores. You are using an out of date browser. The history of British Rail's corporate liveries is quite complex. On the other hand Avanti's branding is awful - there is no "Italian flair" in it at all. Do you think we should use different colours for regions like we sort of have now, https://twitter.com/_doublearrow/status/1455113527954493474/photo/1. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; Heh. Eastfield TMD staff near Glasgow also embellished a few examples of the class 37/0's allocated to the depot with a lower bodyside white stripe in the mid-80s but were told to stop doing it and repaint the ones they'd already done back to the standard blue livery by the BR hierarchy. The FT reports: The reforms will still allow private companies to run services but they will instead work under a more prescriptive management contract, similar to the system in place on the London Overground.. [13] Initially new locos were still painted in the traditional Rail Blue livery, but starting with Class 56 number 56084 the new Large Logo version was standard on new locos delivered to BR. Id like GN non-Moorgate stuff to join Greater Anglia, as they dont fit in LNER imo. GBR is not quite the same, so they no doubt want it to be seen as distinct; plus, it may not even be possible to call it BR, there might be legal implications (just a guess). At present, train operators get to decorate their rolling stock in their own colours. A throwback to the 70s and 80s can sometimes work, but not often, but I think. In 2001, as passenger work for diesel locomotives operated by Virgin CrossCountry came to an end, a number of their Class 47s were painted in "heritage" liveries that they had carried in the past, including the former D1733, now 47853, which once again carried a near-correct version of the XP64 livery. Search for a trade mark - Intellectual Property Office (ipo.gov.uk), https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/912009372292780033, Somewhere along the West Anglia Main Line. Thanks. But theres no particular reason this should be. I'm not convinced "InterCity" services warrant different branding now, as they are no longer of premium quality in terms of service provision; in many case they're just regional or commuter services (thinks XC and GWR in particular). The new livery was used with the introduction of the Hastings Line electrification in 1986 to promote new electric trains on that line. "Great" means "large", not "very good". From July 1956 the Southern Region began using a 'coaching stock' green that was somewhat darker than the malachite green colour of the old Southern Railway and this extended to former Southern vehicles as well as Mk1 stock. for some form of co-branding. Thus Class 47 47170 County of Norfolk, allocated to Stratford and a regular performer on trains between Liverpool Street and Norwich, was painted in Large Logo livery. Agree, having at least 'intercity', 'regional' and 'metro' would be good. Wholely agree. Other examples are available Once they'd ditched single colour liveries, they didn't really do anything that wasn't ", One can only hope for a Sectorised return to NSE. The British Rail Class 31 diesel locomotives, also known as the Brush Type 2 and previously as Class 30, were built by Brush Traction from 1957-62. [3] Goods (freight) services are operated by a number of companies, the descendants of those created during the 1990s privatisation. Or do you think TfL should change their look away from using the current font simply because it's been that way since the 1930s or whenever? [16] As well as rolling stock and multiple units, a number of Class 47 and Class 50 locomotives dedicated to Network SouthEast passenger services were painted in this livery. RM 2A03J14 - Sittingbourne, Kent, UK. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Standing on the sidelines of national politics and shouting is just what capital-U Unionism does now. Later regional variations included some interesting changes for the Class8P passenger types in particular. This error in colour identification comes from an article and question published in a Model Railway Magazine in the 1950s, where the responding editor made the error, and it has frequently been repeated since then. Steam locomotive 61306 Mayflower seen just outside Sittingbourne, Kent at lunchtime today. It does affect other devolved rail operators, including ScotRail, Transport for Wales, London Overground, Elizabeth line (Crossrail), and Merseyrail, as well as the combined authorities that oversee other local railway networks in England. The livery comprised brown upper panels with a colour described variously as "biscuit" or "fawn" along the lower panels and separated by a broad orange band. In 1964, as part of a plan to develop a new corporate image for British Railways, a number of experiments were tried; Discussions on the livery for British Railways coaching stock in 1948 eventually settled on a network-wide two-tone livery of crimson and cream for corridor coaches, with all-over crimson being used for local, non-corridor stock. The double arrow is still overused, though. No.31271 in Railfreight "triple grey" livery with Construction sector markings. Now there's a system others can look up to. This grey panel finished just short of the end of the coach leaving a small amount of Rail Blue which then continued round onto the end of the coach. And the more I see RA2 and its symbols, the more clumsy it looks. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. Construction of the first locomotive was completed in the final week of September 1957, and the handing-over took place on 31 October. Because it was a nationalised industry run by the British Government. With the publication of the Williams review and the announcement of the renationalization of British Passenger Rail, i thought i might help out anyone exited for new liveries or branding for trains.. Introduced originally by the Great Western Railway, the Travelling Post Office would set out from London in the dead of night and deliver . the handling/liability of pensions etc. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; Im unsure about the livery as such, but if Great British Railways is taken forward, Id expect GBR to feature. Every TfW station I've been to are still ATW-branded (in fact, Hereford yesterday). https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/912009372292780033. I agree I think the NR logo in the circle looks better, but GBR is such a mouthful - its just latent fear of the British Rail brand. I'm working on building a GBR brand from the ground up for the next few days (my calendar is completely empty), starting with a logo. The rail system is no more a public service than coach companies or supermarkets. No.47373 in revised Railfreight "red stripe" livery. All other brands (SE, Southern, Thameslink, SWR, GWR, TfW, Merseyrail, Overground, Crossrail, GA, c2c, Scotrail) remain as they are. Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. the report stated that there would be some update to the double arrow, though not what that update would be. I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. The iconic London and North Eastern Railway brand - better known as LNER - looks set to be withdrawn again. I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. I suppose they are quite bland. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . Can you only be professional if every rail person works in the same uniform? There are some good brands out there - gWr for example is a superb piece of marketing prowess, alongside the "friendly nostalgia" of the Famous Five advertising. Cross Country merged with EMT to form a brand called Midland Connect. This style of livery was also used by CSX Transportation. They retained this livery for some years, before being painted in Rail Blue when that became the norm. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I wanted to go for something modern yet flexible. The WilliamsShapps plan recommended that there will be a single, unifying brand for railways, and it is expected that this will be a gradual rebranding over time. The final decision was to be made later in 2022,[16] but the result has not been announced as of February 2023. [11][12], The location for GBR's headquarters is currently being determined. Following the introduction of the Advanced Passenger Train in 1983, a similar livery to the APT's (dark grey on the upper body, and light beige on the lower, with two stripes of red and white separating them) was experimentally applied to two HST sets and the coaches operating the Gatwick Express service between London Victoria and Gatwick Airport. GBR will develop masterplans for station renewal. In 1956 an all-over darker maroon, which more closely resembled the pre-nationalisation LMS livery, was re-introduced, except for the Southern Region, where locomotive-hauled stock was generally painted 'coaching stock' green (from July 1956-on) and a small number of express carriages on the Western Region which were in traditional GWR-style chocolate and cream. It's good work (and the previous set). I imagine the LNER and GWR branding will be around the longest, as its allready kind of govt created and most in line with DfT standards. It's only as complicated as you want it to be. And it that light it is intriguing that Ministers have. Finsbury Park. GBR is similar enough to channel some continuity with BR but distinct enough to admit it's a different entity. One of the worst liveries they ever carried, never seen a HST look so poor. As part of this work, the team engaged with industry through a formal call for evidence. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . Clearly "Great British Railways" does include a bit of "retro" in the manner than gWr does, for example. 19th September, 2019. Rail Express Systems was the sector of British Rail responsible for transport of mail and parcels traffic. Class 14s D9537 (in desert sand livery) and D9539 prepare a double-head a train on the Ribble Steam Railway. The government has promised to base the organisation outside London to promote economic growth and skills in a region beyond the capital. However, these bodies will be required to coordinate with GBR to deliver a single national rail network, including one website and app, as well as following national branding and passenger standards. One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. This was later modified for locomotives allocated to the Civil Engineer's department to include a yellow stripe on the upper bodyside, the resulting livery being known as "Dutch" due to its similarity to the corporate colours of the Nederlandse Spoorwegen.[18]. The old Northern signs worked well, but only Metro/WYCA really got behind the co-branding opportunities, that I saw. Also, like I said, it's possible that they legally can't call it BR. ScotRail was the brand name under which British Rail operated passenger services in Scotland and cross border services to Northern England and London. You are using an out of date browser. The Great British Railways Transition Team (GBRTT) seeks to deliver the most ambitious changes to our railways in a generation, working with the government and across the rail sector. It will replace Network Rail as the operator of rail infrastructure across all of Great Britain (excluding some Valley Lines in Wales and some Merseyrail lines). But thats the insidious appeal of nationalism: it willalwaysbe easier, in the short term, to spurn complicating national attachments in favour of tacking to local winds and making off with as much cash as you can lay your hands on. I personally like this Lion logo posted by Tim Dunn on twitter a few years ago. 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