At the end of TheBands of Mourning, we learn that aside from the Survivorists, there is also a whole civilization of people far to the south of Elendel that worships Kelsier, calling him the Sovereign. (Like Wax, and Wayne, and okay, those are the only remaining Ws, but isnt alliteration fun?). Even if it weren't a viable metal, as a Mistborn he would have been able to burn it, and he wasn't able to sense it at all. That would have advanced his plans quite nicely. Kelsier's estranged brother Marsh also joins, hoping to realize his own dream of a successful Skaa Rebellion despite his disapproval of Kelsier's methods and leaving the rebellion when he had learned Kelsier and Mare had been captured. Foopers. Who, or what, is Trell? Realizing Vin didn't trust him, he told her that in his crew they trust each other. Kelsier at first hated Leras for claiming to be God, enough to instantly punch him. For more details, see our spoiler policy. The Lord Ruler has been vanquished. Waxillium Ladrian was a direct descendant of a close associate of Kelsier, Edgard Ladrian. After Vin had recovered from her extensive injuries, Ham took her with him to allow her to watch him burn pewter effectively, but they quickly returned to Kelsier with news that Yeden had had his troops attack a garrison outpost against their main objective. And if we ignore that as well, Kelsier's cognitive shadow doesn't seem to have any of his mistborn powers so an extra hemalurgic power would likely mean nothing at that point. Many years after the Catacendre, the cult which started after Kelsier's deception with OreSeur directly following his death has become a fully-formed religion. Then, in Shadows of Self, Paalm was using a spike supplied by Trell to gain Allomantic and Feruchemical abilities, as well as to remain invisible to Harmony. Though they suffered many setbacks, Kelsier's leadership allowed the rebellion to attain an army of sufficient size to hold Luthadel. What are you actually theorizing. He forced the rest of the crew to leave, only leaving Vin. After Kelsier died, he became a Cognitive Shadow through the Well of Ascension, making him able to resist the pull of the Beyond. It depends on whether or not the head of the spear was in him, or poking out the other side without touching him. Wayne is also a twinborn; his skills are Slider (creating speed bubbles) and Bloodmaker (he can store health in his metalminds in order to help facilitate healing). . After speaking with Vin and Elend briefly upon their deaths, he discovers from Sazed that there is a way for him to go back to life. [67] Harmony also made vague allusions to the Southern Scadrians that Kelsier once ruled as the Sovereign. Kelsier is the leader and presumed founder of the organization, which Mraize calls "the most powerful organization in all the cosmere. Ironeyes(fka Marsh): Marsh was Kelsiers brother. Now lets talk a bit more in depth about Kelsier, and what hes been up to. However, he is then confronted by the Lord Ruler himself. I doubt that its a spike however simply for the reason of what attribute would theyspike into Kelsier. The Lord Ruler is pierced through the chest with a spear, basically a long spike, then uses that spear to stab Kelsier. As of the end of TheBands of Mourning, it is believed by the characters that the goal of the Set is to begin a civil war to overthrow Elendel. We want to discuss this theory. When he reaches their base, he moved past their guards and passed the wall into their chambers. Without a Physical aspect, his powers failed. If you dont like this theory, move on. Community Software by Invision Power Services, Inc. On 8/3/2018 at 9:16 PM, TheManKnownAsHoid said: On 8/2/2018 at 3:22 PM, TheManKnownAsHoid said. .1 Global Archive Voiced Books Online Free No Naked Ads -> Here!Mistborn 01 mistborn, p. [47] After that, he left the area of the Cognitive Realm surrounding Scadrial and moved closer to finding the Ire. The Skaa still would have rebelled, Vin still wouldve gone after TLR, and they still wouldve won. He escapes the Well following its destruction and travels west, meeting Khriss, Nazh, and a group of Elantrians along the way. They go on several outings together, including fighting Inquisitors this leads to Vin almost dying however and changes how Kelsier runs the crew. This one is gonna be a RAFO for what his true plan is and if there is influence somewhere. After Sazeds Ascension and Spooks rise to political power, Kelsier began to speak with Spook about finding a way to bring himself back to the Physical Realm. It is a dystopian fantasy world in which magic users gain powers by swallowing. Clearly I am not the only one questioning the relevancy, (Thanks for the support btw @KalaDANG) and it is not to point out that I don't "like" the theory, I find it unlikely, and there are 2 main reasons: A. I don't understand what the theory is trying to say (Which might make my thoughts on the theory irrelevant). When Kelsier's father discovered the truth of their parentage, he had their mother executed and attempted to do the same to the brothers, who fled. After Kelsier died, when Vin fought the Lord Ruler, Marsh killed the other Steel Inquisitors in Luthadel and saved Vin's life. He always keeps a smile on his face, because that is the one thing the Lord Ruler can't take from him. Like all Southern Scadrians, he wears a red and black mask at all times. People tell me I can be downright frustrating! Uncanonically, Brandon imagines Kelsier as using a Seon in a trench coat as his 'avatar'. (Aside from the possibility of the spear no longer being a symbol). Kelsier did get metal as a Cognitive Shadow in the form of the bolt from Nazh and Khriss' chair. He has an imposing presence and is a natural leader, easily taking charge and swaying even the downtrodden skaa of Luthadel into joining the rebellion with his charming personality. Kelsier is a Mistborn, so he can burn every Allomantic metal, although he is particularly proficient with the external physical metals iron and steel. The people who agree with it will simply agree. This was a character that I connected with and he showed true traits of a Robin Hood-hero. Like a way to copy that little bit of spiritweb, so the spike can be removed or, god forbid, reused. He worked out of a safehouse in Bilming, alongside Moonlight, TwinSoul, Kaise, and Dao. It was Kelsier's "death" that truly connected me to the Cosmere universe. [43], Hoid greatly disapproves of Kelsier's interference with Roshar through the Ghostbloods. Even if it weren't a viable metal, as a Mistborn he would have been able to burn it, and he wasn't able to sense it at all. As of the end of The Bands of Mourning, he has a very obvious crush on Marasi. Marsh decided to give Wax a book explaining Hemalurgy because he believed Wax was doing Kelsier's work. [43] He feels Ruin's presence during his time in the Well. That is like arguing with air. He was the leader. As punishment, Kelsier was sent to the the Pits of Hathsin to mine atium for the Lord Ruler. He burned down the manor and purposely departed in a way that forced the skaa to join the rebellion. [citation needed], To put the plan in motion, Kelsier first targeted Keep Venture, as House Venture was the currently most powerful house in Luthadel and an attack on it would have the greatest impact. After Holding and releasing the Shard of Preservation, Kelsier became a Sliver. Steris and Marasi are both members of this religion, though Marasi admits that it is more because she was raised in it. So i just finished Mistborn: Secret History and in the Postscribtum Brandon mentions that he as a very clear idea what Kelsier is doing and will be dropping hints again. . With the garrison gone and the nobility weakened by the war, the rest of the army then could take over Luthadel. [54] Secretly, however, he knew that Ruin would send Marsh to intercept the message, and was hoping that reading the message would give Marsh the information he needed to remove Vin's earring, which was also a Hemalurgic spike that was keeping her from taking up Preservation's power. Honestly, you should have seen it coming. In The Final Empire it can be argued that Vin represents the reader of the book as she is constantly in awe and has a great amount of respect for Kelsier.The reader is able to learn about the world, the magic and the other characters through the eyes of Vin, and because of this, we admire Kelsier, holding him up to almost a supernatural standard. In the hundreds of years following his death at the hands of Rashek, Kelsier was revived with the help of Spook and Harmony, becoming a messiah known as the Sovereign to the Southern Scadrians. [32] He also had Codenames send messages to Steris and the Ghostblood agents in the Elendel Basin, telling them to prepare for an evacuation of Elendel. Kelsier is the younger brother of Marsh, who is disappointed at Kelsier's apparent lack of direction or purpose until Kelsier leads the skaa rebellion. Additionally, spiking him at his death would have left the spike behind in his corpse, providing no benefits. All I want is for somebody to clarify what your theory actually is. Before leaving them, he created the Bands of Mourning, a collection of unsealed metalminds forged together and containing all kinds of attributes in extremely large quantities. Kelsier did get metal as a Cognitive Shadow in the form of the bolt from Nazh and Khriss' chair. [25], Before leaving them, he created the Bands of Mourning, a collection of unsealed metalminds forged together and containing all kinds of attributes in extremely large quantities. Even with the Eleventh Metal, Kelsier proved no match for the emperor and was quickly killed by a spear through the heart. Worship Trell and wait. The Misborn series comes recommended by Eurogamer friend Johnny Chiodini, who describes Fortnite's latest addition thus: "Kelsier is a thief, but he's also a mistborn - a person who can consume. Marsh resents Kelsier because Kelsier had success with the skaa rebellion soon after Marsh quit being its leader. Vin expected that Kelsier would use his knowledge to control her, but to her surprise, he openly explained her the eight basic metals. Elend lived with the weight of not being the man the people wanted. As of Mistborn Era 2, he may be a feruchemist and he has not gained access to allomancy since his death. And you kind of responded with a lot of hate there. A bit obsessive, a bit anxious, and a whole lot amazing, Steris uses her neurodivergencies to her (and Waxs) advantage by plotting out every eventuality and creating detailed plans to deal with any situation. And the Lord Ruler still had a spike in his chest when he stabbed Kelsier. I dont think the head matters. Despite their strained relationship, Kelsier is still grieved and angry when they find evidence of Marshs death. OreSeur incites the skaa to rebel, beginning the revolution and the overthrow of the Final Empire. He offered to teach her about gold and atium, gave her the money he took from Camon, and allowed her to leave, as he didn't want to force anybody into his crew. Despite having amassed enough wealth to live comfortably, Kelsier continued planning more heists, looking for bigger challenges in each. Itd be interesting if he actually HAD been spiked by the spears. If youre looking to learn even more, I highly recommend that you check it outthere are also chapter-by-chapter recaps of the books if youd like to do a more thorough deep dive into the Mistborn series! [8] He also hates how much Kelsier goes against his Intent, bringing about massive societal change in how he brought about the death of the Lord Ruler, and played into Ruin's plans. [33] As a result, he has both regular vision and the steelsight that Inquisitors used, allowing him to see via both normal light and trace metals. if TLR was spiked? All Im saying is that whether or not TLR could have been hemalurgically spiked depends entirely upon whether or not the rebels stabbing him with spears only stabbed hard enough to just barely get the metal heads in, which would technically allow for hemalurgical side effects, or if the rebels stabbed him with enough force that the spear head went ALL THE WAY THROUGH HIM and stuck out the other side of his body, leaving him with only the wooden haft still inside of him and the metal heads not touching his insides. At some point, Kelsier had the Ghostbloods on Scadrial work in order to resist the oncoming threat of Trell. Does anybody find it odd how specific Kelsier's death is? Kelsier, famously known as the Survivor of Hathsin, is a powerful Mistborn and one of the main characters in Mistborn: The Final Empire . Mistborn (Series) Personality Type: ENTP - 8w7 - so/sx - 873 - EIE - SCOEI - Sanguine-Choleric - EF (N) One of the most legendary men known to the Skaa. In the process, he tells the skaa to flee to the Terris settlement at the Pits of Hathsin should troubles. Mistborn Wiki is a FANDOM Books Community. Kelsier is known by many titles, the origins of which vary. Kelsier went on to save Elend's life from an inquisitor. [25], Kelsier is known as Thaidakar[3] to the Ghostbloods, a secret society that operates on several planets, including Roshar. It reacts explosively to water. Back at the city gates Kelsier introduced Vin to Sazed. Kelsier discovered that Mare had given him her only geode, and was forced to watch Mare being beaten to death by the guards. Yeah sorry I meant the head of the spear. And the whole point of the Cosmere Discussion forumis to discuss irrelevant theories and minutiae about the Cosmere. If you enjoy queer protagonists, snarky humor, and dont mind some salty language, check out book 1. Ettmetal, also known as harmonium, is the condensed elemental form of Harmonys power. [22], Kelsier has an unknown Seon which he uses to commmunicate with his Ghostbloods on Scadrial. He died at the end of the first book in the original trilogy but theres always another secret. [79], This page or section contains spoilersfor, This page or section needs to be updated with new informationfor, Kelsier to the Lord Ruler, last words before death, This article is still missing information. If it did, when Inquisitors are made, the spike would have killed them before it gained a Hemalurgic charge. He is credited as the first to ever escape the death camp, and from henceforth he was titled the Survivor of Hathsin. Kelsier protested, earning himself a violent beating, whereupon he Snapped. , Kelsier is terrified by Ati and the power that he holds, seeing and feeling it through the Well of Ascension.[74]. (Remember how I mentioned all those spoilers? With his newly awakened Mistborn powers, Kelsier killed the guards and escaped the Pits of Hathsin, murdering all the nobility and skaa who had chosen to become guards he encountered in his vicinity. [42] Then he found the power at the Well of Ascension and became trapped there with Ruin, though merging with the power of the Well allowed him to become a Cognitive Shadow and resist the pull of the Beyond. All Im saying is that theres no way to definitively know whether or not the metal heads were still inside him. Kelsier's legacy continues to influence people all across the five dominances. Marasi is a full constable, and Wayne is Waxs deputy. Leras is fascinated by Kelsier due to him being the first to punch him after death, and being the first to attempt to recruit him to their schemes. VenDell: A kandra who often delivers messages on behalf of Harmony. When used Allomantically, the metal is said to burn with a pure whiteness and will slowly be consumed, in the same way it would be by a Misting or Mistborn. He finds Vin and Ham near the steps of Keep Venture and also learned that Dockson had died in the Battle of Luthadel. Kelsier has been confirmed by WoB not to have a spike, so although he was being influenced by Ruin's plans, Ruin was not controlling his motions and therefore he did not have the intent necessary to perform hemalurgy. The Lost Metal is looming large on the horizon (its out in two weeks! Kelsier was the primary mentor of Vin and crewleader to the gang who was credited for overthrowing the Final Empire. [16][35][37], Seeing his powers, Gemmel wondered what he unleashed upon the world in teaching Kelsier allomancy. (Almost certainly on that score, lets be honest.) [51], From the Well of Ascension, of course. For one of them, Kelsier's crew planned to steal the Lord Ruler's atium cache, which they believed lay hidden in Kredik Shaw. That said though, Im also kind of confused at what Ruin would be trying to accomplish even if TLR HAD been spiked. Kelsier and Dockson went to see her first hand; they watched Vin Soothe an obligator during Camon's scheme, confirming that she was at least a Soother. This page was last edited on 27 January 2023, at 22:51. Even the church of the survivor would be virtually the same. No, Kelsier was not fond of Marsh. He is the central figure of the religion known as the Church of the Survivor. Why would it have to be relevant to the current or future cosmere? Without a Physical aspect, his powers failed. Kelsier (aka The Survivor): Kelsier was the leader of the group of thieves who went after the Lord Ruler in the original trilogy, and was the person who recruited Vin. In the following months, Kelsier himself took on many roles to further the plan, acting as a beacon to the repressed skaa, assisting in recruitment,[30] attacking many noblemen to increase the tensions between the Great Houses,[16], collecting information by purchasing it from informants, and even posing as an informant in order to provide misinformation to noblemen. He/she/it has kandra under their control, is either controlling or working with the Set, and is apparently planning on annihilating life on Scadrial as a whole. So, Im kind of with Ishar a little bit. Repeating myself over and over because Im misunderstood gets annoyingreal quick, so I wanna make sure Im clear with what I say. Allegedly dead as of the end of TheBands of Mourning, but heyits a Cosmere novel, who knows? HE CANT BE HEMALURGICALLY SPIKED IF THE METAL ISNT TOUCHING HIS INSIDES. The roast is strong with this post. Thus Kelsier's mother was killed, and because of this, the brothers have a deep hatred of noblemen. He hid the artifact away somewhere in the north and then disappeared. Protecting you.Giving you power!, When Leras died and Ruin began to Splinter the Shard of Preservation, Kelsier used the Ire's orb to Connect with Preservation and Ascend, allowing him to protect the power and hold it until Vin could take it. What are you saying? When Marasi Colms discovers an agent of the Ghostbloods, Moonlight, she manages to convince her to take Marasi to a warehouse in Bilming to aid in the fight against the Set. What are you trying to say you think happened? TLR was being spiked by the rebels and then into Kelsier. Fortnite dropped the official announcement early Friday. He told Suit that the Set had decided that allowing civilization on Scadrial to continue was too dangerous and that they decided to remove life on this sphere instead. The creature then activated an explosive device, apparently killing Suit. It's the same power, after all. Allik Neverfar: A Southern Scadrian (specifically from Malwish), Allik is an airship crewman who was captured by the Set. [48] He ultimately only took a glass orb from them after thwarting their plan to take over become the Vessel of Preservation after Leras' death. Marasi Colms: An Allomantic Pulser (able to slow down time in a bubble around herself) and a constable in the Elendel constabulary. He is confronted by a Steel Inquisitor, which he eventually manages to defeat by beheading him with the Inquisitor's own obsidian axe. The most notable of these is the rebel group governing Urteau,led by a man known as the Citizen. I am not yours. He just didnt really understand the point you were trying to get to with your theory, so he asked. [71] He was hours away near Southern Scadrian when Telsin planned to send a bomb on Elendel, and tasked Moonlight, TwinSoul, and Marasi to take care of it. [42] While he was in the Well, Hoid passed by and Kelsier essentially challenges him to a fight that Kelsier ultimately loses. We do it because we want to. When Bleeder killed Father Bin by nailing him to a wall, it is described as a parody of the Survivor's Statemark,[60] implying that the Statemark depicts the way Kelsier died, impaled by a spear. "Now, let's go jump that wall."Based on Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn novels, where Kelsier first teaches Vin about Allomancy.The boards are also available on. Kelsier was the primary mentor of Vin and crewleader to the gang who was credited for overthrowing the Final Empire. They secure the Bands, but hand them off to the kandra for safe-keeping and broker a trade deal with the mysterious Southern Scadrians. Throughout the course of the original Mistborn trilogy, he was been working behind the scenes to try to help Vins cause. When Kelsier was in the Cognitive Realm after his release, he often would show up to him in order to mock him and his inability to do anything. [45] They question him on Preservation's appearance after learning he has spoken directly with the Shard, and then continue their discussion onto other topics. Ughcreepy. Despite his suspicion that Mare betrayed him, he decides to fulfill Mare's dream of overthrowing the Final Empire. His near invincibility as a Mistborn warrior fuels his reckless nature. Donald Mustard, de facto head of Fortnite, is real life friends with Brandon Sanderson, and approached him about getting characters from his books into the game. At the end of the book, Kelsier invites Marasi to join the Ghostbloods after her success in stopping Autonomy's army to which she rejects after much thought. Kelsier is a half-skaa Mistborn from Scadrial. Major Character Death; Categories: F/M; Gen; Fandom: Mistborn - Brandon Sanderson; Relationships: . But spiking modifies the spirit web, which is the same whether your a cognitive shadow or not,and so it could have provided him benefits. While there he meets Ati and Hoid, as well as regularly talking with Leras, whom he believes to be God. Immediately after his death, Kelsier arrived in the Cognitive Realm. One of Kelsier's defining characteristics is his infallible optimism, even in the face of disastrous situations. So, Im kind of with Ishar a little bit. Be aware that in its current state, it may not include all additional content yet. Id make a world where owers returned, a world with green plants, a world where no soot fell from the sky. Kelsier was central to it all. The genius. Kelsier is a fully trained Mistborn, despite his half-noble half-skaa ancestry. The kandra for safe-keeping and broker a trade deal with the garrison gone and the Lord.. 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